Tiger

Sérgio, quando tiver um tempo, por favor responda minha pergunta abaixo. E se tiver mais tempo ainda, dê uma olhada nesse site: http://www.institutocarbonobrasil.org.br... e me diga se recomenda à alguém que coloque fotos de árvores de grande porte no PN. Tenho uma amiga moçambicana e ela já me disse: Os chineses estão partindo para cima da África e estão devastando muito pois lá os governos são corruptos.

Sérgio, não tenho dúvidas quanto aos excelentes propósitos do Projeto Noah e da grande maioria de seus usuários, porém não tenho dúvida que bilhões de criaturas não tem a mesma sorte desse tigre da foto acima e, assim como eles já foram milhares, agora, por causa do homem, estão próximos da extinção, ou seja, todos os animais e plantas que hoje existem aos milhares amanhã poderão ser extintos pela ação da nossa raça.
Como essa política de não indicar claramente a localização de animais em perigo é na prática?
Obrigado pela atenção e tomara que não tenhamos uma batalha de egos e sim uma batalha pela proteção da biodiversidade.

Thank you Debbie, you are right. I wrote in portuguese because Gustavo is brazilian, I wanted to be sure he understand what I was saying. The english translation is: "Gustavo, we all understand your concern. I know this is not the first time you manifested, so I'll be blunt: this animal was photographed in a National Park known and well demarcated. Certainly hunters already know their existence, without having to consult a map of the PN. Furthermore, as a park, this animal has the best possible protection - better than other animals that live in unprotected areas. The Noah Project has, as a policy, does not clearly indicate the location of endangered animals, so the indication of the map does not always correspond to reality. In most cases, poachers already have all the information necessary for their activity. Take the case of rhinos, eg hunters maintains a network of informants who tell them where to find the animal and the location of the guards of the parks. Please do not act like we were irresponsible and inconsequential, because we are not. All here are nature lovers, and never would put it at risk."

GPS the tiger to the Moon!

There!! I have changed the GPS location. Hope that makes everyone happy.

Gustavo, todos nós entendemos sua preocupação. Sei que esta não é a primeira vez que você se manifesta, por isso serei direto: este animal foi fotografado em um Parque Nacional bem conhecido e demarcado. Certamente os caçadores já conhecem sua existência, sem que seja necessário consultar o mapa do PN. Além disso, por ser um parque, este animal tem a melhor proteção possível - melhor que outros animais que vivem em áreas não protegidas. O Project Noah tem, como política, não indicar claramente a localização de animais em perigo, por isso a indicação do mapa nem sempre corresponde à realidade. Na maioria dos casos, os caçadores clandestinos já possuem todas as informações necessárias para sua atividade. Veja o caso dos rinocerontes, por exemplo: os caçadores mantém uma rede de informantes que lhes indicam onde encontrar os animais, além da localização dos guardas dos parques. Por favor, não haja como se nós fossemos irresponsáveis e inconsequentes, por que não somos. Todos aqui somos amantes da natureza, e nunca a colocaríamos em risco.

Why does anybody put it's own adress in the internet?
A: It's dangerous!!! Nobody knows who is watching!
Why does we put GPS position of every creature we find?
We don't care about their safety.
Beautiful photos makes us happy!
GPS position makes poachers happy!
Please, change GPS position a bit and do what PN should do!!!

We must be responsible as we love nature. In the sea, Man are decimating fish everywhere because of the great tecnology we have to locate them and Japanese "whalers scientistis" are doing their work too.
As you said below: "wildlife trafficking is an estimated $10 billion per year global enterprise, the third most valuable illicit commerce in the world behind drugs and weapons. "
How are we using the tecnology of internet + GPS?
Showing here where the poachers must go!
Looks like PN don't really care about this!
It's like selling traps and say "but I never hurt any animal"!!!

I believe that scientits should work hard to increase genetic variability with the captive animals and try to release the sons in apropriated areas. PN does very well the job of showing where these animals are in jail !!!

I bought this too:
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and used in that work.

Gilma, you are a real nature lover! Congratulations!
If I had money, I'd buy a big area with pour biodiversity and I'd create an habitat rich for the birds with many flower and fruit trees, because they help to spread the seeds away and polinizatate, renewing life.
I bough these books: http://www.livrariasaraiva.com.br/produt...
http://www.plantarum.com.br/product.php/...
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and found an amazing list with every plant specie in my city, then I mark in this list the best plants to the birds and hummingbirds and now I use to look for seeds of the more beneficial plants to them, so I search for these seeds, plant at home and when it is about 30cm high I tranfer to an area where nobody will damage it or give to friends for them to choose a good place to put. I'd like to send you by e-mail this list I worked too, maybe it can be useful for you.

Hemma, let's not make mountains out of mole hills. Ranthambore National Park is a 400 sq km area. If you are familiar with the map of RNP you will realize that my geo tag is nowhere even close to the tiger territories, so you have no need to worry.

Anoorag,the first step you could take then is not to reveal where exactly you saw this tiger ,Also do not reveal the exact date,
I am sure that the Project Noah administrators would understand this situation.

Awesome..... beautiful!!!

Guys,
Tigers are a very sensitive subject and everyone has opinions on it. Tiger conservation is so subjective that these forums don't really do justice to the topic at hand.
Now we could have a long debate on this but the thing is, I believe in actions more than words. Definitely, these forums can spread the message to the masses but all of this would get lost in the abyss, we call the Internet.
I as a responsible tiger tourist and a tiger conservationist (in my little capacity) take whatever precautions are needed and whatever there is to do to help save the tigers. I associate myself with such fondness to some of the Tiger families that it is more than just photography or passion for me.

G u s t a v o, I love nature and that is why I take pictures, NEVER the other way around!!
We can save our animals, birds, snakes, etc. in person, I bought a piece of land, build a home and the rest it is jungle, anyone want to harm my wild animals will have to face my "machete"!! and I am not kidding.

anoorag.saxena, a) Doesn't matter what coutry has the demands, but its existence itself. b) one reason more for us not to help them. c) Even as tourist, we disturb nature, they stop hunting or resting... because of us. Internet gives lots of information about a big area, but not GPS position, only here. I'd like people love nature more than its pictures!!!

I supposed it is better "safe than sorry" in this time when so many of our Mammals, birds, snakes, etc are in the endanger list of extinction.

I used to put this at my photos: "To protect this specie I changed the real GPS position. If you're a mammal biologist I'll feel pleased to guide till where it really is."
http://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/714...

I talked about this some time ago: http://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/628... and http://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/301... Human kind disturbs nature, even the scientists!

Gustavo, I never could agree more with you. It is very worrisome.

Anoorag,I would send a note to Rangers@ProjectNoah.org
This has a been a topic of discussion before and believe me ,you might get some valuable suggestions.
Worth it even if we can save one tiger from those ruthless poachers.

Hemma and Gilma, I believe that hunters would prefer to take a look at the GPS position here than to search in an entire forest, for shure! And the date is fresh (January 2013). We're doing the job for them!

The location I have given out is Ranthambore National Park. It's a tourist destination really so there is no secret to it.

However, the fact that "poachers" won't benefit from any information on the internet is just shortsightedness.
a.)The demand for Tiger skin and bones isn't a domestic demand in India - it comes from China.
b.)Tiger Skin and Bone trade is a rather organized sector - thanks to the Chinese authorities for not taking enough action.
c.) The domestic demand in India is on Tiger Tourism which has it's pros and cons. Responsible Tiger Tourism is very important but the unruly crowds I've seen at the Indian National Parks is just ridiculous - that includes the indigenous population and the foreign tourists.

To the question at hand, yes, the actual poacher may not benefit from the internet, but the trade organizer or the source of the demand can definitely gather intelligence from the internet. Giving out exact locations, count of Tigers in a region etc. is risking the Tigers themselves because it may indirectly give rise to the demand.

This is a very Sensitive spotting .