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Giant Asian Mantis

Hierodula sp.

Description:

A large, mature green mantis female (6 abdomen segments), looks heavy with eggs. Length approaching 4 inches (estimate).

Habitat:

Adjacent to a small stream. Altitude 1000m.


No species ID suggestions

10 Comments

folicallychalled
folicallychalled 5 years ago

Thanks Karen :)

Dave

KarenL
KarenL 5 years ago

Great macros!

Mr. Goldfish
Mr. Goldfish 5 years ago

Yeah, most likely a Hierodula. Giant Asian Mantis is a name for Hierodula membranacea and maybe some other mantids.

folicallychalled
folicallychalled 5 years ago

I have changed the ID to Hierodula sp. I don't see how it is possible to take it any further than genus, with there being 100 species, plus I can't see the difference between the African and Asian mantids anyway.

Dave

Mr. Goldfish
Mr. Goldfish 5 years ago

The genus of the species Sphodromantis viridis (several subspecies of this species) is Sphodromantis. The first part of a scientific name is the genus. Paramantini is the tribe. Right now people think they are in a different genus (higher than species). I do not know if they really know if that should be. I have heard that people do not know much about the Sphodromantis. If they did do genetic stuff they should know right? I have read about predatory mantis like roaches that lived a long time ago (before mantids maybe?). I would not label things that you do not know. I have read 108 species of Hierodula. I would not be surprised if they do not know much about Hierodula either, I have read that they do not know much about them too. It would not be so impossible for a Sphodromantis to be there unless where you are do not get many shipments from other countries (I do not know much about it haha). Have you heard about Hierodulella? I cannot find any pictures of them but the same is similar to Hierodula so maybe look similar to Hierodula?

folicallychalled
folicallychalled 5 years ago

I have to agree with you, it cannot possibly be the African mantis due to location. But, if I presented the image and said it was from Africa, you would have no problem confirming the ID. The link you provided looks like a pretty good match to me.

This link to Hierodula venosa is probably the correct ID, but your link looks closer to me. http://www.fobi.web.id/fbi/v/insect/f-ma...

They are both from the same genus of paramantini. It seems to me from images, that they are both the same species and originated in Africa, spread along the southern parts of Laurasia and in to India when the land masses joined and separated when the Himalayas formed.

The separation arguably makes them a separate species, but unlike other creatures, like the otter, the mantis does not appear to have evolved further, at least from a photographic point of view, which is all we have to go on.

I will leave the ID for now, for discussion and will change it is a couple of weeks to venosa.

Dave

Mr. Goldfish
Mr. Goldfish 5 years ago

I have held Sphodromantis sp. before and they had thick pronotom. Maybe the female in your picture has a pronotom too long for a Sphodromantis.

Mr. Goldfish
Mr. Goldfish 5 years ago

Are the side parts of her wings a little bit more curved from this picture of a S. viridis?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...

Mr. Goldfish
Mr. Goldfish 5 years ago

Maybe it is....

Mr. Goldfish
Mr. Goldfish 5 years ago

Probably not a Sphodromantis since it is far from Africa.

Cimahi, Jawa Barat, Indonesia

Lat: -6.85, Long: 107.58

Spotted on Jul 5, 2013
Submitted on Jul 5, 2013

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