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I added this to the mission" Identifying Animals thru Osteology" This mission is good for CSI lovers !!I can name some!!Pyoung,Cindy,Karen, Antonio GinjaGinja !! I found these remains in the pond which I visit regularly. The remains were on a stone in the pond. 100 to 200 ft inside the pond. My guess is that they are the remains of either a goose or a duck. To narrow it down,judging from the size of the neck bone,it could be a duck. The questions are 1 Who ate the bird? 2 Name of the bird?. 3.How did the bird get on this stone?. 4.Did the bird die of natural causes? This is what I think happened. A dead bird was found on the side of the pond. It was shot by bebe guns. I found pellets under the picnic table.The bird was then dragged by a raccoon to this stone. Raccoons can swim. they like to douse their kill in water. i have never seen a bird of prey here. It would be to heavy for a bird of prey to carry this kill to the stone.
local pond,plagued by incidences of animal abuse.
Today feb 17th , I saw a turkey vulture circling around this area, This confirms the presence of predatory birds. Spotted after a month of the spotting. The bones are still there. Picture number 3 shows the bird in air. Turkey vultures are known to feed on dead animals mostly Picture number 4 shows the yellow and black and white duck which has been missing since that day. He and the black duck and abuff one were constant companions and they swam together ,dived together, bathed together ,they had so much fun!
Spotted on Jan 13, 2012
Submitted on Jan 13, 2012
26 Comments (1–25)
Karen,you nailed it. It is very likely that the waterfowl was eaten by a Turkey vulture!! I saw one circling above this area. This is my first sighting of a vulture in this area.
Karen,very similar to what you saw in the NrongoroCrater. Elephant skulls of animals meeting the end gracefully. Ducks who are sick ,finding a safe place to meet their end!!
I talked with the maintanace person. He was saying that he knows all the birds in this pond since they have hatched. One in six chicks survives.
According to him ,the ducks around here live upto 6 years on an average.
He said that an arrest had been made for the Duck shootings.
I told him that I saw a few more dead after the arrest.
He siad that some ducks become sick at this time of the year and die of natural causes.
I told him that we were deeply mystified by the remains on the stone. According to him, a sick duck sometimes chooses to come out of the water and lie there.
So looks like ,we have an answer. The duck on the stone died of natural causes .
Thanks for your input.
Emma your allways welcome whith your inteligent comments and puzzling interesting questions
Antonio,yes ,i will surely let you know if I come to some conclusion.
Thanks for your input!!
" i dont want to make this subject a theme here in noah"
we are in oposite sides,it's good for diversity:)
but allways friends,no hearth feelings,i respect your opinion,i expect the same from you:)
AntónioGinjaGinja
I stand by my opinion That it is propaganda! I do not think it is the place to discuss Geo Politics! This website is for Wildlife spotting's!
Emma sorry to invade your spot whith outsiders discutions:)
If you get any information about the remains...tell us,you put me courious:)
pyoung,you show me one study,there are as you know many other studys that prove the contrary.i'am not an american detractor,i love america and is very diferent and variated people,but the criminal rates of USA are much more higth than european community(CEE).When i talk about cowboys,it's joking a litle,not ofensive,however you must read more about the subject, and another writers opinions not only the ones that defend the weapons...i'am surprise that you think the weapons bring less violence, that's no logical,every body knows that human been is violent if you give him more destructive power... the result is in stastistics,countrys whith more weapons spread in the common population have more violence and dead.but it's ok, i dont want to make this subject a theme here in noah,i know that in USA there are a big division on this discussion between american people and many of them think like me:)i'am a non violence defensor.
This is private property ! So chances of reaching those remains is slim. i called the officer in charge ,but he has not replied yet.
Great content everyone! Thank you for joining this mission!
AntónioGinjaGinja,
Here is a Harvard study that has very good statistics of gun ownership in Europe and the USA and it has been proven where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest,and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest.”
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs...
This gives information on murders in Europe and the statistics on gun ownership.After I read it I was surprised, at the murder rates in Europe. If they don't have guns, they use knifes.
I looked at the information on the internet and I feel ,that there is a lot of propaganda spread by the "European press". (I also think its wise to research the studies yourself). I don't believe every thing I see on the news. Most of it is propaganda. And a lot of it is bias and unfairly stereotypes Americans as cowboys, particularly since the 1980s. I have been to Europe and I am familiar with this stereotype. I think this causes other cultures and countries to distrust us based on what the media reports. And America is a big country, just think, are there cowboys in Hawaii and places like New Jersey? No, there is not! Its all propaganda. "Emma, "I would use a canoe or a flat bottom boat to go out to a rock",where the remains of the spotting occurred!
in that case we wait for more informations:)
Sounds good! will look into the possibility!
@pyoung,from outside,in a european vue,the facts cant be denied,more guns more violence,here you can have defensive only whith special permit and we have a very low criminality,there it's the cowboy way:)i realy think that only when you restrict the guns possession you can have rates of criminality like us.but i respect the felling of those who think diferent and are in the growd,maybee if i lived there i can have your opinion:)
@Emma it's not possible to go to the rock in a rubber boat cach the remains to see if there is any thing from where we can deduce what hapen?
Karen ,that sounds like a good idea,but in all these days,I have never seen a duck or a goose sitting on that stone. Occasionally I have seen a small turtle,sunning. I have seen a snowy egret and Great Egret on the stone at the edge of the pond . Never on this stone. Maybe the fact that the stone is in the interior of the pond has something to do with it.
Vulture eat already killed animals. But like i said , I have not seen any birds of prey in that area. Which again does not mean that we should rule out this possibility.
Thnx agents for all your expert help.
Emma, I think you nailed it too! I guess the other alternative is the 'vic' was shot on the stone island & something (raccoon, vulture?) ate it there!
I agree with p.young too .
Maybe the duck was shot from a distance. I support our constitutional amendment that citizens have the right to bear arms in America. Antonia. But I think people who abuse animals have very serious problems.
@Emma you naillet,your a csi agent:)your description fits,i agree whith your logic.You have to many guns in USA:( like cowboys:)
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/12...
This link provides the details of various incidences.
So what do you think happened? You mentioned animal abuse? Are they shooting at the wildlife or using bow and arrows?
pyoung,you should join the " Identifying Animals thru Osteology" mission!
No alligators. Have not seen any birds of prey either. This is far off from Mt Diablo,where all the birds of prey lurk.
Wow, Thats interesting!! Any Alligators? Bird of prey? Yes you do have very good logic!!
Thanks.:)