Barn Swallow

Thanks Ryan. This is interactive learning and most of us learn by discussions.

Sorry bad memory. Right is a Barn as well as Left. You can see that even though the right guy has a forehead mark it's not as white as the guy in photo one.

I know Liam has a lot of knowledge on birds and I'm not trying to say he's wrong. I'm just putting my 2 cents in.

I don't see a forked tail, or enough of one to make me think barn. I'm just not seeing anything but a Cliff in photo one. Even the breast, neck and chin just don't look like the Barns that I'm use to seeing. On photo two I would agree that the left bird is a Barn but the right looks more Cliff to me.

Thanks to all for your help and feedback!

All look like Barn Swallows to me. Cliff have dark chests and throats. Juvenile Barn do have white foreheads. Plus, I'm seeing a forked tail.

Ryan , I find this intriguing. The second picture is barn swallows?

Also they nest under the eaves of buildings (knew I was missing one) they'll build a mud nest and line it with feathers or other soft material.

Yes a Cliff can live in a residential area. They don't need a cliff in the normal sense of the term. They will occasionally build their nests on steep hillsides and other slopped terrain. Swallows often feed in packs or flocks regardless of species. It's not uncommon in my area to see Norther Rough-Wing, Barn and Chimney Swifts all feeding in the same field.

I agree with Ryan, the white forehead makes it an adult, northern (not mexican) cliff swallow.

these were together. Could a cliff exist in a residential area? All of them were bom diving at me as a team.

Cliff in picture one. Barn would not show the white forehead. Pic 2 might be Barns, hard to tell.

cliff or Barn?
Thanks for the Id suggestion Ryan. Appreciate it!!