Caligo memnon is not found in Brazil. Do you know for sure that all from this set are the same?? The first ones are Caligo teucer and the ones from the dorsal are Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis. I did a re-check of Caligo brasiliensis. It is really not an easy one to understand. It is/was called Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis. Now it is obviously no more a subspecies of Caligo eurilochus but an own species called Caligo brasiliensis. But it is very important to call it trinomial, because of the very different locations: Caligo brasiliensis brasiliensis. That's it for this species. BOA has no C. b. b., other usually updated and trustable sites have it still as C. e. b. http://www.troplep.org/TLR/18-1/Casagran...
Bayucca: I have searched for more pictures of butterflies Caligo with white on the edge of the wings and I've found a very interesting (she does color sorting): http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/butterflyguide/... I think this spotting is Caligo Memnon. Anyway I will consult the Bird Park of Iguaçu. I'm starting to be crazy!
Tricky #2... There is actually no Caligo brasiliensis or what is written on the plates in your park: Caligo brasilenses. It is Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis, that's why I was so confused about your Brasiliensis and you still kept it, although I brought Teucer into the discussion. Now the mystery is solved and we do not have to re-write the story... Take this link, it is Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis, I trusted it myself ;-)... http://www.flickr.com/photos/56594372@N0... Take your and go to the middle of the forewing, or a little bit to the left of the middle. You can see there a broad black stripe and and next to the left of this black stripe you see an empty band meaning creamish/whitish. That's it, that's Teucer. Now you compare the same area on the other link of Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis and what you see there? Nothing, I hope, so NO broad black stripe and NO empty/whitish band. Agree? So, that's Eurilochus brasiliensis and yours is Caligo teucer or my name is Marta, Caligo marta... http://www.lepidoptera.datahosting.com.b... http://www.neotropicalbutterflies.com/Si... teucer: http://www.neotropicalbutterflies.com/Si... http://www.lepidoptera.datahosting.com.b... http://www.flickr.com/photos/almircandid...
This is the answer I got from Parque das Aves: Oi Sergio! Muito obrigada pela interesse. Nossas borboletas são apenas nativas. / Hi Sergio! Thank you for your interest. Our butterflies are native only.
Uups! I did not even take notice of the other ones, sorry! Please, make an separate spotting of #3 and #4, because they are different Caligo. Now, that's getting exciting... Need some time to get closer. My problem: Are these Brasilian ones or important from another butterfly house, for example from Florida?? Than we need to re-write the whole hi-story!!!
You're right, bayucca. I believe that the three images are of different species. I had not paid attention to this detail because I let myself be influenced by an ad with the name that was inside the Bird Park of Iguaçu. Now we have to study this carefully. Thank you very much.
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Thanks, Kittuandme.
Nice!
Thanks, AliHp.
Very Sweet!:-)
Well, Bayucca, I think we're on the right track. Thank you very much for your interest and patience.
Caligo memnon is not found in Brazil. Do you know for sure that all from this set are the same?? The first ones are Caligo teucer and the ones from the dorsal are Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis. I did a re-check of Caligo brasiliensis. It is really not an easy one to understand. It is/was called Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis. Now it is obviously no more a subspecies of Caligo eurilochus but an own species called Caligo brasiliensis. But it is very important to call it trinomial, because of the very different locations: Caligo brasiliensis brasiliensis. That's it for this species. BOA has no C. b. b., other usually updated and trustable sites have it still as C. e. b.
http://www.troplep.org/TLR/18-1/Casagran...
Thanks, Mayra.
Beautiful!
Bayucca: I have searched for more pictures of butterflies Caligo with white on the edge of the wings and I've found a very interesting (she does color sorting): http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/butterflyguide/...
I think this spotting is Caligo Memnon. Anyway I will consult the Bird Park of Iguaçu.
I'm starting to be crazy!
Tricky #2...
There is actually no Caligo brasiliensis or what is written on the plates in your park: Caligo brasilenses. It is Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis, that's why I was so confused about your Brasiliensis and you still kept it, although I brought Teucer into the discussion. Now the mystery is solved and we do not have to re-write the story...
Take this link, it is Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis, I trusted it myself ;-)...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/56594372@N0...
Take your and go to the middle of the forewing, or a little bit to the left of the middle. You can see there a broad black stripe and and next to the left of this black stripe you see an empty band meaning creamish/whitish. That's it, that's Teucer. Now you compare the same area on the other link of Caligo eurilochus brasiliensis and what you see there? Nothing, I hope, so NO broad black stripe and NO empty/whitish band. Agree? So, that's Eurilochus brasiliensis and yours is Caligo teucer or my name is Marta, Caligo marta...
http://www.lepidoptera.datahosting.com.b...
http://www.neotropicalbutterflies.com/Si... teucer:
http://www.neotropicalbutterflies.com/Si...
http://www.lepidoptera.datahosting.com.b...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/almircandid...
Thanks, María dB.
Thanks, Gilma.
Nice spotting!
Thanks, Sergio.
Caligo Eurilochus in Costa Rica, owls eyes in wings and snake heads in the other
Wonderful spotting. I liked specially of the caterpillars.
This is the answer I got from Parque das Aves: Oi Sergio! Muito obrigada pela interesse. Nossas borboletas são apenas nativas. / Hi Sergio! Thank you for your interest. Our butterflies are native only.
Bayucca: mission accomplished. I think they are well identified three species of Caligo. :)
You might think no, but I would not bet my ranch on it ;-)...
Carrion beetle would anyway better than Dung fly ;-)...
I left a message at Parque das Aves's Facebook page, asking if they have foreign species there. My guess is that the answer will be no...
Uups! I did not even take notice of the other ones, sorry! Please, make an separate spotting of #3 and #4, because they are different Caligo. Now, that's getting exciting... Need some time to get closer. My problem: Are these Brasilian ones or important from another butterfly house, for example from Florida?? Than we need to re-write the whole hi-story!!!
You're right, bayucca. I believe that the three images are of different species. I had not paid attention to this detail because I let myself be influenced by an ad with the name that was inside the Bird Park of Iguaçu. Now we have to study this carefully. Thank you very much.
I am not sure if this really is Caligo brasilianus. "Empty patches look in my eyes different and I am wondering about the small spot next to the largest eye seems to be included not separated.
http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/L/ih...
What about Caligo teucer?
http://www.butterfliesofamerica.com/L/ih...
http://www.neotropicalbutterflies.com/Si...
These Caligo are sometimes a real nightmare to ID. What do you think??