Tyrian Metaltail

When I told you that I kicked the metaltail out, this does not mean that it is not this one. The longer I look at it, the longer I think it really might be Tyran Metaltail, indeed. The only thing I am sure: This is a tough one!! Obviously even for Liam, so we do not need to hide our wrong suggestions ;-)... I am really looking forward for the answer of birdforum...

bayucca, I looked and looked, I still think Tyrian Metaltail do match, you are right about the angle of the pictureof the bird does trick us. Let's see if there are more challenges on this ID...thanks for trying so hard to ID this bird.

Liam, pls do...I signed up but do not know how to navigate there. thanks

There are so many similar species! A befuddling bird to us hummingbird novices for sure! Do you mind if I ask on Birdforum?

I once already kicked out the Tyrian Metaltail, due to the different colors of the throat parts. But often you have altered colors due to light angulation and age/gender. I am still not very happy...
http://chandra.as.utexas.edu/~kormendy/e...
http://www.mangoverde.com/wbg/picpages/p...
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/tyrian-meta...
http://tierdoku.com/index.php?title=Bild...
http://www.raywilsonbirdphotography.co.u...

another site that might show something similar...maybe a Tyrian Metaltail, you think?
http://www.wincom.net/~prairie/Pauls_Web...

Liam:- I found a site you might be able to help ID this bird...just a thought:-
http://www.pbase.com/ahlman/hummingbirds...

I felt this link is helpful...
http://www.mangoverde.com/wbg/picpages/p...

The main problem I have with the Chestnut-breasted Coronet is the bill, which is the tiniest bit too thick, particularly on the tip. Notice how the sunangel's bill tapers at the end, more reminiscent of Susan's bird than the Coronet.
I don't believe the orange throat is visible in all lightnings (see second link in my preceding comment).
He is a tough guy for sure! I'm thinking Birdforum will be able to solve this unequivocally.

Thanks, Liam! I am missing the orange throat in Susan's and the orange belly parts and some brownish on the wings in the Sunangel. I would still tend to Boissonneaua, however, I would not confirm that for 100% granted. Here are some more links of both:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28347466@N0...
http://www.pbase.com/crail_birder/image/...
http://www.pbase.com/crail_birder/image/...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28347466@N0...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28347466@N0...

Could be a Flame-throated Sunangel:
http://www.glennbartley.com/naturephotog...

http://www.pbase.com/crail_birder/image/...

Hmm, I am still not 100% convinced...

Debbie, thanks for trying, I believe Bayucca has it correct.

thanks bayucca, I think you correctly ID this bird.

at least we tried Bayucca, Susan sorry to not get your ID spot on yet but I'm sure someone on here will soon.

Liam, it's your turn.

Im sure you are right there, maybe we should ask one of the bird experts on here for their opinion to try and solve this mystery.

The colors are indeed not easy to judge, they might change depending on gender, age and light angulation.

I can't imagine that the shape and size is different in a subspecies.

It is better on the beak yes but it is missing the rufous or coppery bronze wing coverts like this one has as it goes straight from dark green to almost black. is it possible it could be a subspecies of Heliodoxa rubinoides such as Heliodoxa rubinoides aequatorialis which may vary the beak shape slightly? also hummingbirds have different seasonal plumage so the pale buff breast could be darker normally as it is on the coronet.

Sorry, hit the wrong button on my iPad. Here is the link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeluba/6697...
At least it is a cool latin name!

:-)... I think we get closer and closer! What do you think about my new guess: looks much better with the beak, but I do not like the color of the throat. The belly looks a little bit orange/brownish with white in some pictures.
I would love o see the whole belly...
http://www.ownbyphotography.com/traveldi...
http://ibc.lynxeds.com/photo/chestnut-br...
Little step foreward, but I am still not happy...

Sorry Bayucca, I must have missed that comment! I just thought it may have possibly been the camera angle that was making it look straighter than it actually was as all the colour markings, white spot on the eye, copper tinged wings and tail all seem to match. shame we cant see its throat or legs as that would help immensely.

See moreif the same one. The link above is the best match, besides the beak...
http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20q?searc...

@Debbie: I just kicked out Heliodoxa rubinoides because of the quite strong and curved beak. This was my lucky punch yesterday:
http://www.discoverlife.org/mp/20p?see=I...
But take look at this beak, in my eyes to strong. What do you think?