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Brown Pansy (butterfly)

Junonia Hedonia ida

Habitat:

spotted on a remote area in the city (Brgy. Conde Itaas, Batangas City) located on a mountain with a very few human residents.

1 Species ID Suggestions

Chocolate Pansy
Junonia iphita Junonia iphita


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15 Comments

bayucca
bayucca 7 years ago

Indeed, Franz! We are very privileged in Switzerland with our drinking water!

Agreed! I am also quite curious about how swiss water tastes like. I heard that water from Switzerland is so pure that you can even drink from a tap without any hesitation! How amazing is that! :)

bayucca
bayucca 7 years ago

Yes, that's what Switzerland is famous for, not only chocolate and cheese we also handle Philippinian butterflies ;-)...

ohh wow! thanks for the discussion sir bayucca and ma'am daniele! It was fun reading through the comments. You are both awesome! Two thumbs up! :)

DanielePralong
DanielePralong 7 years ago

This meta-data confirms the distribution indicated in the list in the comment below: Palawan only for J. iphita (J. i. adelaida) and Philippines altogether for J. hedonia (J. h. ida), with J. h. hondai in Palawan. So we should have J. hedonia ida here. Thanks again bayucca for staring this discussion!
ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/sci/bio/life/insecta/lepidoptera/ditrysia/papilionoidea/nymphalidae/nymphalinae/junonia/index.html

DanielePralong
DanielePralong 7 years ago

Last for tonight: here's a list for the Philippines, according to which hedonia is much more widespread and iphita found only in Palawan:
http://pbh-butterflies.yolasite.com/phil...

DanielePralong
DanielePralong 7 years ago

Night Dominik, these has been an interesting discussion :-) Will lootkinto it more at the week-end, hopefully others will contribute too.

bayucca
bayucca 7 years ago

My knowledge comes from nowhere, only from my eyes and now more tired brain ;-). Good night, sweet butterfly dreams and a nice weekend, folks!

DanielePralong
DanielePralong 7 years ago

I would agree Dominik, I am now tending there too. What would be good is to have more precise distribution info for the Philippines beyond what eol is providing (their data is often incomplete), and a precise key wouldn't hurt :-) My direct knowledge of these butterflies comes from India (which has only iphita) and Australia (which has only hedonia). The areas where the two can overlap are the problematic ones :-(

bayucca
bayucca 7 years ago

Interesting discussion among the experts, indeed. So after a recheck, but only a short one, I am tending to Junonia hedonia, without being that sure.

DanielePralong
DanielePralong 7 years ago

After a first quick search I found the following: it is generally agreed that J. hedonia is reddish-brown and J. iphita chocolate brown, and that only hedonia has orange-crowned ocelli. However the later point is disputed in the discussion on the second link below (even experts seem confused!), and I haven't found a proper key yet:
http://kangbas.web.id/docs/browse/e-book...
http://www.butterflycircle.com/showthrea...
Here Agnes has what she thinks is J. hedonia:
https://www.projectnoah.org/spottings/15...
No map on the spotting but the localities are close.

DanielePralong
DanielePralong 7 years ago

Yes, butterflycircle take their info from trustable sources. Maybe this needs more research, as these are species often sighted here. My ID down to iphita was certainly based on location. I'll try looking into it again later. In the mean time it may be best if Franz has is as Junonia sp. Thanks for raising the issue Dominik. Any other help welcome!

bayucca
bayucca 7 years ago

This: http://butterflycircle.blogspot.ch/2011/...
is usually a trustable site and it has it as Hedonia = Chocolate Pansy.
I cannot tell you much of the ranges in South East Asia, that's for my modest knowledge about the biogeography too complex or my day was too hard for. I believe you, I just was confused about the 2 species, which look quite similar and I guess that some of the IDs are not really trustable, but the mystery was not even sold looking at trustable sites...

DanielePralong
DanielePralong 7 years ago

bayucca, here's my understanding, but I may be wrong :-)
Brown Pansy=Junonia hedonia
Chocolate Pansy = Junonia iphita
Both are sometimes called Chocolate Soldier, hence confusion.
According to eol iphita is in the North of the Philippines and hedonia in the South.
hedonia is more of a Southeast Asia, Indonesia, and Australia species. What do you think?

bayucca
bayucca 7 years ago

Daniele, I also had Junonia, but all of a sudden I was no more sure if Junonia iphita or Junonia hedonia. Can you tell me the differences? There is obviously also confusing info about the common names.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7549347@N0...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junonia_hed...
http://butterflycircle.blogspot.ch/2011/...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junonia_iph...

Batangas, Philippines

Spotted on Jul 10, 2014
Submitted on Jul 11, 2014

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